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we aren't getting enough anti depressants - your thoughts?

Author : Cousin

Submitted : 2018-02-23 14:08:39    Popularity:     

Tags: anti  depressants  thoughts  

Update: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/21/its-official-antidepressants-are-not-snake-oil-or-a-conspiracy-they-work

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MY thoughts are legalise recreational and jam all night with music and dance in the streets. That should lift your spirits better.

Never needed to take them, but have always rather assumed the reluctance
to prescribe them was either the risk of addiction or dependency and the cost.

the thing is this

Prozac is an anti depressant - an SSRI - it mucks about with serotonin (the happy neurotransmitter) and has caused many people to kill themselves and / or their family

5HTP is also involved with serotonin - but in a very helpful way - 5HTP is an amino acid that facilitates the body to utilise it's serotonin with amazing results - also - and this is the amazing bit - it regulates dopamine

dopamine can be a troublesome neurotransmitter bipolar disorder and schizophrenia are both mental health disorders caused by an inability to deal with dopamine

serotonin regulates dopamine and is a miraculous cure for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia

but they don't seem to want you to know that?

so yeah anyone out there suffering from anxiety and or depression check out 5HTP - people even use it for coming down from MDMA

all this has obvs had an impact in people going to their GP and asking for anti depressants ?

it's safe - Boots and Holland and Barrett sell it

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=5-HTP&...

Anti-depressants are a money making scam that don't even work, I've known many people who've taken them and say it's all total placebo effect. The only thing that's real is the cash that goes to drug making company.

Correct. The GP's you find in the average surgery are a curious lot. More than any other job apart from perhaps the teaching profession, they tend to come from families which have a tradition of similar careers. Doctors and nurses beget - Doctors and nurses.
The process for training new doctors is a steady progression, A levels in Chemistry and other sciences, a requirement for the top grades and then a selection process to pick successful candidates out of a pool of applicants with equal top grades, so a highly competitive process by necessity, which picks out an 'elite'. Frequently, especially with young women doctors, you are constricted to a very narrow section of society, and one which has little familiarity with people outside that section. This is something which is apparent to others working in the health sector, - carers from the social service departments and other hospital staff for example.
There is a tendency to conform (you don't want too many 'innovative' brain-surgeons operating on patients, 'experimentation' is NOT a desirable habit!). There is a tendency to 'group think' and this can lead to faddish innaction.
'First do no harm' becomes 'do nothing and see what happens'.
There is a strong mistrust of the patients. Any request for a particular treatment, or in some cases for any treatment at all, is seen as coming from ignorance at best, and suspicious motives at worst.
There is also pressure on doctors not to prescribe medication. This has grown over the years, from wholly restricting the sort of products which pharmacists are permitted to provide, to guidelines on what qualified doctors themselves can prescribe.
The constant anti medical campaigns in the newspapers (vaccination scares, promotion of fad 'mind and body' programs, drug scare stories) also have an effect, and the flattering notion becomes accepted:
That the Doctor has a magic touch.
All that is required is a good chat.
That five years of medical training on top of a sharp mind and excellent schooling, will produce a person whose very words of advice and consolation are just as good as any medication their training has legally permitted them to provide. In fact, probably better.

So those with debilitating mental illnesses are referred to counselling instead of being given the pills they need. Mental illness is now not a myth exactly, but something almost like a spiritual malaise.
And in the same way painkillers can be replaced with placebos, or 'physiotherapy', and physiotherapy can be replaced by a photocopied sheet of exercises, and a good 'bedside' manner (a 'deskside' manner in fact) becomes the professional standard to aim for.

i've never knowingly been in the apparent medical state of depression but having been on other drugs that left me mind numbed as a side effect, wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. life is highs and lows with emotions as well as practicalities and should be lived as such. apart from that it seems to me that the number of depression cases has increased over the years as mental problems have become more prevelant, recognised, and accepted. i think prozac has a lot to answer for.

I had depression for a while and the pills were no good, they just sedate you, the key to dealing with depression is to change the way you live, eat healthier food, exercise, change your job, move elsewhere, do a college course stuff like that

Anti depressants are fine and can really help some people. But I am concerned that some GPs will just give them out without looking at the causes of depression and the other ways which can be used to help people cope. There are various other therapies, such as CBT, which can be a great long term help for things like anxiety, but anti depressants are cheap and readily available. And the people who I know who have used them have reported feeling "numb" after a while. Not only do the pills take away their depressive feelings, but their happy ones too. They just feel like they have no emotions, but are afraid to come off the pills in case the depression returns. One friend had a course of therapy and that really helped her come off the pills and be able to deal with life's highs and lows a lot better

They tried handing them out like candy in the 70's and created a nation of divorce mad women. God knows what the next plague will bring.

Send some round, I'll let you know next Thursday, if I can be bothered...



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